[RndTbl] Lost messages/postings

Hartmut W Sager hwsager at marityme.net
Tue Jan 22 23:16:20 CST 2013

 Hi all,

Thanks for the continuing quest.  I've done some more send/receive
experiments outside of RoundTable in the last 48 hours, but the results,
while somewhat inconsistent, have left me with no conclusions to report
here, nor even definitive data to present here.

So, please keep at it, since I'm not the only one reporting this problem.
Can we at least determine whether or not everyone with this problem is
using Gmail?  I still have some suspicions in that regard, though not my
original simple thought of duplicate on unique message ID.

Hartmut Sager

On 22 January 2013 10:08, Gilbert E. Detillieux <gedetil at cs.umanitoba.ca>wrote:

> On 2013-01-21 23:15, Adam Thompson wrote:
>> Once the mailman software has had its way with your message, it is no
>> longer the same (identical) message so that isn't the case in any event.
>> However, you're the third person lately to complain about missing their
>> own posts.
>> Gilbert/Bill, is it possible the list default setting for self-copy got
>> changed? I don't know where to look...
> I just checked the General Options Section for the roundtable mailing
> list, and the only relevant settings there are default options for new
> members joining the list.  After that, it's a per subscriber setting, which
> should only get changed when the individual subscriber changes them
> explicitly.  (The "do not send a copy of a member's own post" setting is
> off by default, in any case.)
> I checked the mail queue and mail server log file, and I can't see a
> problem on the MUUG server's end.  I'm not sure what's happening to the
> messages that aren't being delivered.  My guess is that it may have to do
> with delays on forwarding servers, as appeared to be the problem that Kevin
> was having last week.
> Gilbert
> Hartmut W Sager <hwsager at marityme.net> wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> OK, thanks for checking.  I just now checked the MUUG RoundTable and
>> Asterisk archives (for Jan 2013), and indeed, my postings are all
>> there.  But, my postings of the last several days have not come back
>> into my Inbox, even though they have previously done so.  I haven't
>> recently changed my e-mail system in any way that I can remember, and
>> certainly not in any significant way.
>> Nonetheless, I do now have a new suspicion.  I'm using Gmail as my main
>> e-mail infrastructure (and have been for over half a year) (with my own
>> e-mail addresses at my own domains), and I know all about their "labels"
>> and about unique message ID's in e-mail at large.  And, Gmail tries to
>> avoid storing duplicates, simply applying multiple labels instead
>> (elegant! - too bad IMAP didn't think of that).
>> In the past, my MUUG RoundTable and Asterisk postings did come back into
>> my Inbox, but were identified by Gmail (as evidenced by labels) as being
>> the same messages I sent out.  I'm wondering whether, for some unknown
>> reason, these incoming postings now no longer get the Inbox label?  But
>> if so, then why?
>> Hartmut Sager
>> On 21 January 2013 22:04, Bill Reid <billreid at shaw.ca
>> <mailto:billreid at shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>     There are no pending requests at this time.
>>     On 21/01/13 20:00, Hartmut W Sager wrote:
>>         Oh no, now it's my turn!  Help!  My last several postings in the
>>         last two
>>         days to both RoundTable and Asterisk (mainly replies) have not
>>         shown up at all.
>>         What's going on???
>>         (Sorry to the additional cc's I added here, but it's in case
>>         this doesn't reach
>>         RoundTable.)
>>         Hartmut Sager
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