[RndTbl] [SkullSpace-Discuss] Re: [MBIX-Members] MBIX AGM May 4th, 2016

Hartmut W Sager hwsager at marityme.net
Fri Apr 15 22:07:16 CDT 2016

Thank you Adam, that was very enlightening.  I have only limited knowledge
of these Internet architecture matters.

Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331, +1-204-515-1701, +1-204-515-1700,
+1-810-471-4600, +1-909-361-6005

On 15 April 2016 at 21:22, Adam Thompson <athompso at athompso.net> wrote:

> Actually, no, that won't work anyway.  All of the services (except Akamai,
> and I will admit that both MTS and Shaw have their own Akamai caches
> anyway) use anycast IP addresses, so you literally "can't get there from
> here" unless you (or your ISP) peers at MBIX.  If you use those IPs, you'll
> be magically directed at the "closest" node that your ISP has access to -
> usually in Calgary, Toronto, or Chicago.
> As I said, MBIX is not intended for individual consumers; it's intended
> for the ISPs that serve individual consumers, and medium-to-large
> businesses that see value in having faster access to the various DNS
> services, NTP services, etc., and/or the other members' networks.
> For a slightly artificial example, a Credit Union might consider joining
> MBIX in order to be able to say that your secure banking transactions never
> leave the province, never mind the country.  I'm quite confident that
> neither the NSA nor CSE have installed a tap at MBIX - that would be
> difficult to hide from us.  (Of course, since neither MTS nor Shaw peer at
> MBIX yet, it's still statistically very likely that the NSA is listening to
> your secure banking transactions no matter who you use.  Of course, we all
> know HTTP/S is completely secure.  And they only collect metadata anyway,
> right?  *cough*)
> Mind you, at the same time, that hypothetical CU now has access to a
> high-accuracy, high-availability NTP cluster without having to acquire
> their own stratum-1 time source, and they could host their DNS on CIRA's
> D-ROOT system for guaranteed global availability, and... and... and...
> One other thing to note about MBIX: it's what's called a "Default-Free
> Zone".  MBIX is *not* an ISP.  MBIX will not route your traffic to the
> internet at large.  MBIX can only get your traffic from one MBIX member to
> another.  Of course, many MBIX members are ISPs, so it's easy to make
> transit agreements with any number of them.
> -Adam
> On 2016-04-15 20:46, Hartmut W Sager wrote:
> I suppose, with MBIX's permission (perhaps for a special "individual use
> only" fee), you could simply use MBIX's NS IP addresses in your NS
> settings.  You would get some of the benefits, like avoiding the DNS query
> leaving Winnipeg if it's locally resolvable by MBIX.
> But really, what business does the average joe have in using MBIX services
> for free, when MBIX is a clearly-stated "members only" service (at $1200
> per year), not a public freebie.  Sounds like a typical stingy Winnipegers'
> attitude.
> Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331, +1-204-515-1701, +1-204-515-1700,
> +1-810-471-4600, +1-909-361-6005
> On 15 April 2016 at 16:10, Trevor Cordes <trevor at tecnopolis.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-04-15 Adam Thompson wrote:
>> > For the average end user using their ISPs nameserver, it's... well,
>> > out-of-scope.  But MBIX isn't for individuals, it's for ISPs and
>> Is there a way to leverage this (MBIX NS) for the average joe (me) who
>> runs their own resolving/caching BIND on Shaw?
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