[RndTbl] Co-location costs

Daulton daulton at tetmail.ca
Sat Feb 16 23:14:03 CST 2019


Thank you very much! I would appreciate if you checked both. I can send 
my contact details and power requirements, etc. if you need?

On 2/16/19 10:54 PM, Alberto Abrao wrote:
> I have a hard time wrapping my head about not being able to service my 
> own hardware. I like to play with it from start to finish, it's part of 
> the fun! Also, the idea of relying on other people to bring it back to 
> life in case something happens drives me nuts.
> 
> I don't know what Westman (Brandon, MB) offers for colo, if at all, but 
> I am willing to check if you're interested.
> 
> The place I work for also host servers, but it's in Saskatchewan. I can 
> also check with them if that suits you.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Alberto Abrao
> 
> On 2019-02-16 10:38 p.m., Gerald Brandt wrote:
>> When I went colo, I used Joe's Datacenter in Kansas City. They were 
>> $50 USD a month for colo. I would have stayed with them, but 
>> eventually the conversion to CDN $ was just too much for me.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> On 2019-02-16 9:54 p.m., Daulton wrote:
>>> I need a blend of CPU, memory, and a nice amount of disk space for 
>>> what I am up too. With vultr, digital ocean, etc, you can get storage 
>>> but it comes in at $10 per 100 gb. Bump up the memory and amount of 
>>> vcpu and plus the storage and it gets expensive fast. Same thing 
>>> applies to the dedicated servers I mention in a minute also.
>>>
>>> Secondly while I am sure I can find cloud providers with clean IPs 
>>> for mail server usage there is a little problem. It seems from my 
>>> research and tests common cloud providers such as Vultr the IP you 
>>> can get is clean but there appears to be a silent increase in SCL 
>>> score for emails sent to Microsoft email (Outlook, 365, hotmail). 
>>> This is only a hypothesis so far as I have only used Vultr in my 
>>> tests, I am still looking at this so I can report on that separately 
>>> later.
>>>
>>> Then with dedicated servers the concern is the following:
>>>
>>> 1) Speed and quality of support.
>>> 2) Privacy for what happens to dead drives AND after you are done 
>>> with the server, the concern being data recoverability. What then if 
>>> they do not do an actual wipe of the drives before a new customer 
>>> gets the dedicated server? If you have out of band management of 
>>> course there are ways around one of the two, but control over the 
>>> hardware resolves both.
>>>
>>> For what I have seen regarding dedicated servers from better 
>>> providers these concerns go away but with the pricing it appears 
>>> higher long term versus some of the colos I have been looking at plus 
>>> my own hardware. All options considered it is looking best to have 
>>> colocated servers, so that is why I am looking for a reasonable colo.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daulton
>>>
>>> On 2/15/19 3:46 PM, John Lange wrote:
>>>> Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or 
>>>> Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
>>>>
>>>> Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put 
>>>> it under your desk?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso at athompso.net 
>>>> <mailto:athompso at athompso.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers,
>>>>     according to the owner.
>>>>     Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack
>>>>     server, if you already have a business relationship with them. 
>>>> (Have
>>>>     fun with physical access, though.)
>>>>     There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange 
>>>> Group)
>>>>     which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U
>>>>     collocation.
>>>>     You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS
>>>>     Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have
>>>>     their own AS and domain.
>>>>     In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs
>>>>     ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough"
>>>>     for 99.999% of applications.
>>>>     -Adam
>>>>
>>>>     On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton at tetmail.ca
>>>>     <mailto:daulton at tetmail.ca>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>>         I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched 
>>>> others for
>>>>         colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am 
>>>> waiting for
>>>>         quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send 
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>         Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did 
>>>> not even
>>>>         bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only 
>>>> sell 1/3
>>>>         cabinets as their lowest size available.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>>         Company: Amanah
>>>>         Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
>>>>
>>>>         Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 
>>>> 1Gbps 8 IPs
>>>>         (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
>>>>
>>>>         They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber 
>>>> between the
>>>>         data centers and a cross connections.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>>         Company: Nuday
>>>>         Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
>>>>
>>>>         Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 
>>>> Mbps Up/Down
>>>>         Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / 
>>>> Month, $59 / Month
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>>         Company: Les Net
>>>>         Location(s):  Winnipeg
>>>>
>>>>         Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 
>>>> power
>>>>         outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, 
>>>> Power usage
>>>>         $135/KW
>>>>
>>>>         Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something 
>>>> like a Dell R710.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>>         Thanks,
>>>>         Daulton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>>             Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the
>>>>             prices for 1U
>>>>             or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it
>>>>             be MTS,
>>>>             Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them 
>>>> each
>>>>             for quotes
>>>>             but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
>>>>
>>>>             To give an example of power usage it would be something 
>>>> such
>>>>             as a Dell
>>>>             R710.
>>>>
>>>>             Thanks,
>>>>             Daulton
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Daulton



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