[RndTbl] Gmail spam filtering super-aggressive lately

Hartmut W Sager hwsager at marityme.net
Wed Mar 25 02:36:54 CDT 2020

 My ISP is Shaw res, with 3 IP addresses.

I don't like feeding borgs either, but Gmail has two things I would miss:
1.  Labels, which are superior to (and a true superset of) folders.  I have
made extensive use of multi-categorizing many of my e-mails into multiple
labels.  (No, copies into additional folders don't cut it.)  I really wish
that a newer IMAP standard would come out to fully accommodate labels, and
that labels would get broad adoption in the e-mail world.
2.  Easy e-mail sync across my devices - laptop/desktop, Android
phone/tablet, etc.

As for Gmail's datamining, sure, I know the big boys all do that, but I
haven't got much to hide.  And I have never knowingly been sold anything
due to such datamining either - I'm just not a significant consumer - nor
have I been receiving any identifiably targetted ads due to datamining.
So, I'm fine with the trade-off for the above Gmail advantages, knowing
that if I ever change my mind, I can go elsewhere with the @mydomain
addresses without updating anyone in the world.

Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 01:30, Trevor Cordes <trevor at tecnopolis.ca> wrote:

> On 2020-03-25 Hartmut W Sager wrote:
> > I've had a lot of trouble in the last few months with Gmail's spam
> > filtering having become super-aggressive, but tonight we have a live
> > case worthy of analysis.  In the thread "Opinions on Fedora Server"
> > initiated by Alberto Abrao <alberto at abrao.net>, *both* of Alberto's
> > postings went to my Gmail spam, while Trevor Cordes's posting came
> > through fine.
> Gmail is a big pain in the ... from a mail admin's perspective.  They
> do what they want.  They're like the borg... trying to complain to them
> gets you the same result.
> I know a lot of MUUGers are using gmail for their own domains.  They
> often get muug emails (especially from me) blocked or hidden in spam
> boxes.  Hidden isn't so bad, but outright blocked is darn evil.
> For the uber-MUUGers, I still maintain that running your own MTA is a
> better choice.  MTS makes it darn hard, but Shaw is doable even on res
> accounts if you get an outside smarthost for sending on another port
> (like 26) (or even use Shaw's on p25) -- they only block outgoing port
> 25, not incoming.
> Don't feed the borg.  They read and datamine all of your emails.
> > Yeah, I suspect the trouble is somewhere in Gmail's new expectations
> > re TXT SPF, DKIM, DomainKeys, and such.
> For Alberto's email, in gmail's web interface (or maybe even just in
> the textual headers if you use another MUA) you can dig down to the
> headers and they'll tell you precisely if spf and dk verified or not.
> Yes, gmail and hotmail and yahoo now make it pretty much required you
> have at least one of those technologies running (and one is usually
> good enough).  If you check Alberto's, maybe you can let him know which
> ones he might be missing.  Looks like Alberto is using a Shaw business
> setup and has proper dns and rdns working, and seems to run his own MTA.
> Looks like a good setup Alberto!
> Good luck!
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