[RndTbl] Gmail spam filtering super-aggressive lately

Tue Mar 31 14:14:36 CDT 2020

Does anyone have any idea of what should I change on my end? That's weird.

I am not an expert on mail things, but all tests I've ran so far say 
it's all good on my end.

My intent when I set my email server was to get rid of Zoho, so I 
skimmed through  as much as I could get away with. I'll get back to it 
and dive in as I eventually do, but for now it would be nice to just fix 
this already! =D

Alberto Abrao
204-202-1778
204-558-6886
www.abrao.net

On 2020-03-31 8:52 a.m., Scott Toderash wrote:
> All of my spam-flagged messages from yesterday (by gmail) were from 
> Alberto.
>
> Seems like DKIM / DMARC are broken for that abrao.net? It says "body 
> hash did not verify" but the TXT records appear to be valid. I can't 
> check to see if the MTA setting is in sync with the DNS setting though.
>
>
>
> Delivered-To: scott at 100percenthelpdesk.com
> Received: by 2002:aca:afcd:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id y196csp3384571oie;
>         Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
> X-Google-Smtp-Source: 
> ADFU+vuiyzDwRpJrzhLhiV5URaWa3Oobj0hTvE81swYwSfFbPkrqL9kKUdZnqetPeeY+mHVffE+3
> X-Received: by 2002:a02:9a18:: with SMTP id 
> b24mr14693132jal.110.1585632847649;
>         Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
> ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1585632847; cv=none;
>         d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
> b=Zado7q0sScF+5IU1dqiC9EFpVoV72uP6cb/IueHD1Fc4xa4cm7s4Bh8pyFHIedm2aX
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>          SJWw==
> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 
> d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
> h=sender:errors-to:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:list-subscribe
> :list-help:list-post:list-archive:list-unsubscribe:list-id
> :precedence:subject:content-language:in-reply-to:mime-version:date
>          :message-id:references:to:from:dkim-signature;
>         bh=oidrPMRbCLmiRjW63AagbwfVKumSw9oODcPZ+bJRVDY=;
> b=E4L7LPClJUlZQ5EC9adhbUbRsIwwFBsa2aNxtcXwk6P+KYQvDRNPI1IGNG7lfqEoTg
> oZITXenF3j2l9EO4bN4GEFTRu6uHHyzYSD3lxj515+N5YdyNYq4uvKFcB32kDoMY8d6t
> AU+KAqPk/tD9ckdfAzBMBI3bFm0ORxrEWDjfwSdRXzi2/GqtwIjjqWs1uQVn6YUGNWwC
> y/Poq200sqKioAVBD6CyImVqRlpu0hdawl4ep90hCGXkiUh6Cxn49Kh2RbJPNlbY2AUH
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>          Nw5Q==
> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
>        dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@abrao.net 
> header.s=20200203 header.b=eM3lj8iw;
>        spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of 
> roundtable-bounces at muug.ca designates 2605:e200:3:4::244 as permitted 
> sender) smtp.mailfrom=roundtable-bounces at muug.ca;
>        dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=QUARANTINE) 
> header.from=abrao.net
> Return-Path: <roundtable-bounces at muug.ca>
> Received: from muug.ca (muug.ca. [2605:e200:3:4::244])
>         by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 
> r76si11367775jac.115.2020.03.30.22.34.07
>         for <scott at 100percenthelpdesk.com>
>         (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256);
>         Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of 
> roundtable-bounces at muug.ca designates 2605:e200:3:4::244 as permitted 
> sender) client-ip=2605:e200:3:4::244;
> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
>        dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@abrao.net 
> header.s=20200203 header.b=eM3lj8iw;
>        spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of 
> roundtable-bounces at muug.ca designates 2605:e200:3:4::244 as permitted 
> sender) smtp.mailfrom=roundtable-bounces at muug.ca;
>        dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=QUARANTINE) 
> header.from=abrao.net
> Received: from muug.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muug.ca 
> (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTP id 02V5Y6ed002196; Tue, 
> 31 Mar 2020 00:34:07 -0500
> Received: from mail.abrao.net (abiha.abrao.net [184.67.182.250]) by 
> muug.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTP id 02V5Y1at001968 
> for <roundtable at muug.ca>; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:04 -0500
> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abrao.net; 
> s=20200203;
>   t=1585632836; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: 
> message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: 
> content-type:content-type: 
> content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: 
> in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; 
> bh=c4ZdddDvQqm6pzFiBJQ3rqWRVosL/6OdU+FZ5YcYb/Y=; 
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> ScUQMLCJ3Ma05pma71oGl+vRVwMGZsuu0GfgPIUEqaP2VZZ/pRQs79sddza+Wg==
> From: Alberto Abrao <alberto at abrao.net>
> To: Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable at muug.ca>
> References: <a0273605-e22a-fd1d-4b40-9fe5717481bd at abrao.net> 
> <20200330170424.04a129a3 at pog.tecnopolis.ca> 
> <168980b5-05bf-0d84-9983-64492c989bf9 at abrao.net> 
> <20200330230613.51cdb0f3 at pog.tecnopolis.ca> 
> <94e07f2f-f906-cf1b-0743-538fe90edcca at abrao.net>
> Message-ID: <53d665c5-c798-2fe3-e479-3bdef9c8ee5f at abrao.net>
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:33:55 -0500
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> In-Reply-To: <94e07f2f-f906-cf1b-0743-538fe90edcca at abrao.net>
> Content-Language: en-US
> X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [127.0.0.1]); 
> Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:07 -0500 (CDT) for IP:'127.0.0.1' 
> DOMAIN:'localhost' HELO:'muug.ca' FROM:'roundtable-bounces at muug.ca' 
> RCPT:''
> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by 
> milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 
> 00:34:07 -0500 (CDT)
> X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca 
> [208.81.1.244]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:04 -0500 (CDT) for 
> IP:'184.67.182.250' DOMAIN:'abiha.abrao.net' HELO:'mail.abrao.net' 
> FROM:'alberto at abrao.net' RCPT:''
> X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by 
> milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [208.81.1.244]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 
> 00:34:04 -0500 (CDT)
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 
> tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, 
> DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS 
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> On 2020-03-31 12:58 a.m., Hartmut W Sager wrote:
>> Oh, and all 4 of Alberto's postings of the last 18 hours "reliably" 
>> went to my Gmail spam.  :(
>>
>> Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 00:55, Hartmut W Sager <hwsager at marityme.net 
>> <mailto:hwsager at marityme.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     > If I tell mailman to send me a copy too,
>>     > then I'll always get 2 copies.
>>
>>     Except if you're using Gmail as your infrastructure (like I am). 
>>     Gmail only posts the message once when it recognizes the unique
>>     Message-ID as duplicated, even if the multiple messages come into
>>     "To" and/or "cc" via different target e-mail addresses (which is
>>     often my case).
>>
>>     I hate to make Gmail look good, especially when I started this
>>     "bash Gmail" thread, but hey, they do a few things right.  (Like
>>     labels!)
>>
>>     Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 23:18, Trevor Cordes <trevor at tecnopolis.ca
>>     <mailto:trevor at tecnopolis.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>         Oh, I see why the mailing lists sometimes default to replying
>>         to the
>>         list and sometimes to the sender... if I'm in the To:/Cc:
>>         explicitly
>>         then when I hit reply it goes just to the sender. If I'm not,
>>         it goes
>>         to the list.  Ah: because the ones explicitly to me are not
>>         even going
>>         through mailman (even though mailman is on the Cc:).  I think
>>         there's a
>>         setting in each subscriber's mailman to also (or not) send a
>>         copy when
>>         you're already on the Cc:.
>>
>>         A bit frustrating as there's no good solution.  If I tell
>>         mailman to
>>         send me a copy too, then I'll always get 2 copies. And I
>>         can't tell
>>         the origin mail server not to send me that other copy...
>>         Unless someone
>>         can think of something I haven't, looks like using
>>         reply-to-all or
>>         reply-to-sender explicitly each time, and never using just
>>         "reply", is
>>         the only way to ensure the MUA is doing what I want.
>>
>>         Or... I guess if everyone refrains from ever letting any
>>         individual
>>         person's email address get into the To:'s and Cc:'s that mailman
>>         sees... good luck with that!
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