[RndTbl] gOOgle/gmail prying eyes

[Hartmut W Sager]

Those are *very* good points, Adam.  Google is certainly in a position
(competency-wise) to apply AI-type algorithms across a large number of
incoming e-mails and make inferences.

Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331


On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 10:43, Adam Thompson <athompso at athompso.net> wrote:

> If you BCC multiple people who have their email at GMail, in many
> circumstances the sending MTA will usually batch all those emails together
> and deliver them in one SMTP connection.
> Google might be able to infer a connection, I don't know if they even try
> at that level or not.
> Even though those email addresses are not present in the RFC822 (et al.)
> header, the receiving MTA(s) will see them one at a time, at the very
> least.  Whether it sees them together or as individual transactions is
> implementation-dependent (at the sending end).
> -Adam
>
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> EH> My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if
> one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones)
> still somehow be visible to gmail?
>
> On reread, I realize I should have clarified even further:  Even if one or
> more recipients in "to", "cc", or "bcc" are using Gmail, Gmail has no way
> of seeing the other "bcc's" as long as Gmail/Google isn't involved at the
> SMTP (sending) stage.
>
> Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:48, Hartmut W Sager <hwsager at marityme.net> wrote:
>
> With bcc specifically, the split/sendout to individual bcc targets
> (separate e-mails to each) takes place at the SMTP (sending server) end,
> with no bcc list shown, and therefore none of the "to", "cc", and other
> "bcc" targets get to see the bcc list.
>
> However, you'd still want to be sure that Gmail/Google isn't involved at
> the SMTP stage.  Using one's own domain-based "send-from" address
> configured into one's Gmail would *not* do the trick.
>
> Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:35, <eh at eduardhiebert.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the
> qualifiers.
>
> Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets
> copied and data mined.
>
> If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of
> them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service
> account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
>
> My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one
> of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones)
> still somehow be visible to gmail?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eduard
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