[RndTbl] On forcing people to get Google accounts
Alberto Abrao
alberto at abrao.net
Mon Nov 7 21:07:07 CST 2022
On 2022-11-05 12:09, John Lange wrote:
>
> I'm simply pointing out the irony that in a thread dedicated to the
> gratuitous privacy violations perpetrated on Linux (via its most
> popular "desktop" Android), your recommendation is to "use Linux" for
> better privacy(?).
This would be like me using a Ford F-150 on a hit and run, then turning
around and arguing that Ford makes the worst trucks, seeing that they
are involved in hit and runs.
Linux is just a kernel. It has nuts and bolts to do pretty much
anything, but the assembly of those nuts and bolts is up to the
user/developer.
Yes, I know, this argument sounds like grasping at straws more often
than not. Yet, here, we are *really* talking about specific
distribution/OS here (e.g. Fedora, Android, Ubuntu) *NOT* Linux.
> Actually yes I do think Windows 11 is doing more to honour your
> privacy. Windows11 discloses what it is doing and has privacy controls
> that give you the ability to shut off all the data collection that it
> does if you like.
Those toggles don't really do what you expect, I am afraid. They do
"tune it down", so to say, but they're far from turning it *off*.
And yes, all of that is outlined in the Policy. Not a secret, and most
people don't care, which is fine.
Still, that doesn't mean you turn telemetry *off*. You can't. Enterprise
versions give you more control but as far as I remember, it also does
not have the ability to turn it off completely. That may have changed.
With that said, I do not think "privacy violations" are the main issue
with Windows. I do agree that Android is far worse, for example. But
Android - the complete, functional OS that runs on phones - is *not*
Linux. It *uses* the Linux kernel, just like many other things that are
far from being a bastion of virtue on the privacy department.
> Fedora, Ubuntu and most linux distros don't say anything about the
> data that gets sent home by default and offer NO Privacy Controls.
> There is no built-in way to shut off telemetry, you have to figure out
> which applications are calling home and manually uninstall them.
Fedora presents it on the first boot experience, at least for the
default Gnome installation. Last I checked, the Settings application has
all the toggles there too, with related Privacy Policies linked.
Most of the Fedora Spins don't have much for telemetry other than
Firefox - which does present its terms on first use.
Ubuntu had an incident with this eons ago, but last I checked, it does
present the terms as well.
Debian is opt-out by default on the very few things it collects data on
- the main one (only one?) being popularity-contest, which, as the name
suggests, transmits data every so often about what packages are
installed on the system.
It's not a conspiracy, no. But that does not mean all choices are equal.
It also doesn't mean Windows is the absolute worst.
> I get it that Windows is everyone's favourite OS to hate
I must say I am far from a blind Windows hater. It does some things
really well.
> , but I think it's reasonable to point out the fact that Linux itself
> does absolutely nothing to protect your privacy. Anyone can make a
> distribution of Linux that steals your user data (e.g. Android).
It does not, indeed... just like my screwdriver doesn't do much on its own.
I would be amused if Microsoft stuck all their telemetry on their
ntoskrnl.exe, or whatever it's called these days. I am also reasonably
sure that Android has the telemetry bits far from the main kernel.
The same is likely on whatever telemetry is embedded on things that
leverage the Linux kernel.
> Let's be real here; the majority of privacy loss happens through the
> applications you have installed (e.g. browsers) regardless of the OS.
> For those that care about privacy that is where the focus should be.
That is true. 80-20 rule and all that.
Kind regards,
Alberto Abrao
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